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Okay, I know that if you are a Moonie or ex-Moonie you know that the Divine Principle (DP) clearly state God gave all of mankind free will. You know that because it has been repeated to no end during every DP workshop and you’ve read it every time you studied the DP. So here is a question you should ponder, which deals with much of the Unification Church’s theology and practice.
Now… this is really a big question, that which concerns free will, the DP and the matching:
Why did God give mankind free will?
For what purpose does free will exist at all? The DP clearly tells us that free will exists for the sole purpose of love, because love cannot exist, act or multiply without it. Many a lecturer over the years has been known to give the analogy of a relationship with God centered on love based on our free will or a relationship where we are pre-programmed to worship God, thus being on the level of a robot to God. We were told countless times during DP lecture series that God could not interfere in the fall for if he did, he would be taking away our free will. God created the cosmos because he wanted to love and receive love, but taking away our free will would be defeating the whole purpose of creation, WHICH IS LOVE. Taking away our free will would be counter to His purpose of creation.
So, then, if God had the good sense to understand that love can only exist, act and multiply through one’s free will, then why in God’s name did Rev. Moon insist on taking away the free will of his own children by arranging through a matching who they would marry? I thought free will was God’s gift to mankind for the purpose of love? Isn’t marriage the ultimate expression of love between two adults?
SMM never really understood what love was or he never would have insisted that he and he alone should choose who we all became betrothed to. If we sinners who were not born of his own flesh and blood needed to suffer an indemnity-marriage in order to become true children of God, thus groveling at his feet begging for a spouse we were unworthy of, then this raises another question. Dear UC leaders, try to explain why SMM didn’t allow his own flesh and blood children to choose their own spouses from their own free will based on who they fell in love with and who reciprocated their love?
Young Jin and his poor wife were the victims of the twisted distorted misunderstanding and application of SMM’s own teachings about love, free will and the purpose of life.
So, Young Jin’s sister is demonizing the wrong person for her brother’s misery and suicide. She should place the blame where it belongs, squarely on the shoulders of her own messed up father and mother for thinking they could arrange his love life for him!
Please, think about what you have been taught and then look very hard at the application of those principles. Everything SMM did he did counter to what he taught. Could it be because he didn’t actually believe his own teachings? His children don’t seem to believe in his Divine Principles very much either.
Watching that video made me ill. I was reminded of just how well the Moons and their minions use selective memory to shade all their pro-Moon propaganda. I kept waiting for all the really ugly things about that family to be shown. But of course none of the fallen, cruel, ugly stuff can ever be shown because it would undermine the very lie they are trying to portray. For instance the way the video makes it look like HJH is his first and only wife or lover. Or the fact that none of the children SMM sired with other women are mentioned at all. The facts that SMM, his wife and his kids love to gamble in Las Vegas is never mentioned in the video. Nor is any of the infighting among his kids shown. Not a single word is mentioned about all the people that the church used and discarded when they were no longer useful to the Moon family cause. It’s like the Bible says, “They are like whitewashed tombs. Lovely on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones. “
It’s all too easy to fall for the glitz and glamour of the Moon propaganda machine. They really do a magnificent job of whitewashing their reality in order to make it appear as something it is not nor ever has been.
Watching the video turned my stomach because I know there are still too many people in varying degrees of denial about the life and times of Sun Myung Moon and his family and so they still buy into the hype and pageantry.
I’ve told this story before but after viewing the video, “Vision 2020” I think it bears repeating.
Every photo in the 2020 video shows Hak Ja Han smiling. But perhaps one of you 2nd Gen will pluck up the courage to ask Dr. Rev. Michael Jenkins to read his notes from a leaders meeting he attended way back in the early 1980’s where Hak Ja Han gave her personal testimony about what it was like being the wife of Sun Myung Moon.
As I remember it, he came back from that leaders meeting in a very high emotional state. He tried to explain to us members what it was like to be there at East Garden, watching and hearing True Mother give her testimony. He told us that she cried (sobbed uncontrollably) throughout the whole testimony. She told the leaders that her life as the wife of the messiah had been so overwhelmingly harsh and brutally painful that she could not even speak of most of the things he put her through.
(Such as cheating on her)
Mike described her tears as huge and copious but instead of feeling bad for her; one got the sense that he was enamored by her tears and her suffering.
(Honestly, he described her tears the way one would describe a gorgeous flower or something.)
This is the one story I remember him telling us from that testimony with True Mother.
It seemed that on many occasions, SMM would tell his young wife that they were to have a date and that he would pick her up at a certain time. She would spend the day preparing herself for the date. She would then go to their meeting place to wait for her husband. She would wait and wait only to have him walk past her, without speaking to her, arm and arm with another women, both of them laughing together as they ignored her. She said that she would then go to her room to cry and pray for hours on end.
Can you imagine her humiliation, disappointment, anger, jealousy? Real nice guy that Sun Myung Moon, huh?
It was explained to us members that True Father did this kind of thing to make HJH pay for the sins of Eve. She was meant to suffer and overcome in order to restore what Eve had done to Adam.
But here’s the rub. With that kind of logic there is virtually nothing the husband cannot justify as “restoration of Eve”—NOTHING! And even when he was having sex with another woman, Ms. Choi, he was already in the habit of humiliating Hak Ja Han for the heavenly cause. HJH was already in the habit of playing the victim for the heavenly cause. I asked myself then as I do now if a loving Heavenly Father would really stoop to humiliation, adultery and spousal abuse as a means of restoring Eve, or anyone for that matter. Really, deliberately causing deep emotional stress and pain is the way to restore sin?
So, in other words, the true Adam must sin himself (commit adultery) in order to make his wife suffer so she could be restored? Not for nothing, but it sounds a lot more like something an Arch-angelic personality would do not something a true Adam should do. Kind of like the pimpled faced teenager who will do or say anything to get in the girls pants. What SMM did to his wife HJH is on that level of juvenile maturity….with the added bonus that God made him do it, for her own good and the good of all mankind!
What a great excuse Sun Myung Moon gave himself so that he could get away with anything…it’s all for God, it’s all for restoration! He never had to be kind to his wife or be there for his children unless there were photos being taken!
That is the same kind of logic my step-father used on us kids when he would go on a drunken verbal and physical binge where he would berate and beat us for hours on end. He would berate, humiliate and beat us until he exhausted himself and then he would make us all line up and hug him and tell him we loved him. Then he would say “you know I only do that because I love you,don’t you?” And the only answer we could give him was “yes” because if we didn’t say yes he would start the whole abusive tirade all over again calling us ungrateful. Yes, if we didn’t tell him we loved him after his abuse and agree that he only abused us because he loved us we would be considered ungrateful and that would justify another round of abuse. And, like the Moon kids, who grew up seeing their old man abuse their mother and cheat on their mother, I also have a brother who killed himself and my sisters became drug addicts and adulterers who all hate each other.
Abuse is never the way to create love or the way to heaven. Abuse is the way of hell, no matter what SMM tells you to the contrary. Just ask anyone who has been abused. In fact ask the Moon kids if what their father did to their mother made their family holier or more hate filled.
So then, isn’t it interesting that none of the ugly stuff that happened in the Moon family or to the UC members ever makes it into their perfectly beautiful, whitewashed propaganda machine videos?
How well do you really know your moon? Is there a better question to be asking if you are giving your life for their belief system?
I am an older ex-Moonie. I was in the group from 1973 until 1983. For years I struggled to find myself, and in the end, began writing fiction to try to sort out who I had become. The church fed into my self-loathing as a gay man, and when I left, instead of finding myself, I turned to drugs and alcohol. Eventually, I got a grip and went back to school and now am a successful professional working in the government. It took decades for me to decide to finally publish what I had written. The first book, Simon Says (ISBN: 0615559573), was published in 2012. The followup book, Simple Simon (ISBN: 1477624996), will come out later in 2013. I hope the books provide some insight and encouragement to other gay ex-Moonies.
It is tough being expected to act like a sinless son or daughter of Sun Myung Moon when you do not know what that means. Moon naively hoped his children would inherit his dubious ‘foundation’ but he did not know how to parent. Instead of guiding his children Moon chose fishing. Moon was the distant father who acted like a tyrant, expecting his children to bow to him and then forcing them to marry undesired strangers just like their mother Hak Ja Han did.
Moon’s children do not follow DP. The few children who were associated with the Unificationism have other interests. In Jin Moon preferred to manage a band and screw its members. Hyo Jin was the band and lived for his addictions. Hyung Jin preferred Buddhism and martial arts. Kook Jin wanted only to play with weapons. Only Hyun Jin chose to follow Sun Myung Moon.
Young Jin Moon chose suicide, from the 17th floor of a Vegas hotel. Pressure, blame, guilt and superstition can mess with a person’s head. Sun Myung Moon lost the respect of his children that day and went back to work.
Young Jin’s tragic end is similar to that of Alynn Pike, wife of Rev. Ted Pike. Ted Pike went to work giving radio interviews 3 days after his wife committed suicide by jumping off a river bridge. Alynn who suffered body pains since marrying Ted Pike had been operated for a brain tumor, became depressed and suicidal. Ted Pike claimed his wife was a martyr and that she had been a victim of demon possession. Moon made similar wild claims about Young Jin’s death. In neither case did their supposed relationship with God avert tragedy. Moonies typically blamed Satan or communists when they failed to succeed. The antisemitic Rev. Ted Pike irrationally blamed ‘the Jews’ just like UPF/MEPI members Lord Nazir Ahmed did when he failed to escape sentencing for dangerous driving which killed a man. Scapegoats allow wicked people to distract attention away from their misbehavior.
Hatred and prejudice are signs of a delusion which when stoked daily create an obsessive, unbalanced mind. David Cole was a Holocaust revisionist who was used by Jew-haters but later retracted his anti-Jewish stance (which Frank Frivilous failed to mention) admitting that his self-hatred had been emotional not intellectual. Unfortunately, intense hatred of a race can lead to people hating their own grouping as when blacks use the ‘nigger’ word or change their appearance to look white, like Michael Jackson.
Growing up is not easy but being the child of Moonie parents brings extra difficulties and mental anguish. Moonie parents let your children go free, drop the brainwash, it did not work for you and it is unfair to force it on them.
Cocaine use in the Moon family home was not restricted to Hyo Jin Moon.
In the 1998 C-Span Video Nansook Hong reports that Hyo Jin was taking cocaine with his brother-in-law. Is that Jin Sung Park AKA James Park son of Sun Myung Moon’s infamous KCIA translator Col. Bo Hi Pak, the guy who cried crocodile tears in front of a congressional hearing and attacking them as racists? Was James Park the guy who laughed as Hyo Jin beat Nansook Hong when she was 7 months pregnant, bloodying her face and threatening to kill his unborn child?
James Park’s substance abused was cited in a court case concerning fraud and bankruptcy and reported in a business newspaper. How did James Park start taking coke? Was it passed around the True Family table?
James Park’s father is confusingly named Bo Hi Pak. James Park is married to In Jin Moon. In Jin was never faithful and had affairs with members of her band, Sonic Cult, which resulted in a child with singer Ben Lorentzen. James Park was having sex with the child of a blessed family and scamming poor members through pyramid selling juice called Vemma.
Bo Hi Pak also scammed the members and was thrown into jail. Moon did not help him. Moon laughed when Bo Hi Pak was hospitalized for brain damage after a beating by Moon’s son Heung Jin Moon who allegedly possessed a Zimbabwean man, Cleopas Kundioni with Sun Myung Moon’s permission. Pak was kidnapped by gangsters. Moon refused to pay the ransom. Were Bo Hi Pak’s problems related to drug cartels? Was Pak the cut-out for Moon? Did pay take a instead of Moon? Are the Moonies harvesting for cocaine production in South America?
Watch the C-Span Nansook Hong video to discover the reason why Nansook had to escape from the Moon’s to save her life and avoid the immense cruelty and insanity within the Moon family.
James Park PARADIGM Founders LLC
August 10, 2000
I was not willing to wait until I got to the spirit world to make a judgement on this issue [Black Heung Jin — Cleophas]. With my own eyes, I saw this man in the Washington DC church knock people’s heads together, hit them viciously with a baseball bat, smack them around the head, punch them, and handcuff them with golden handcuffs. I had seen enough. Todd Lindsay was the first to leave. His wife was due to have a baby any day. My wife was six months pregnant at the time, and we were next in line for “confession” to the heavy-handed inquisitor.
I took my wife out of the room, and he came after us. I demanded to know what had happened to Todd. They had locked him away in a room somewhere. I wanted to leave and said so. I was wrestled to the ground by several people, and forbidden to leave. I tried to break out of the church but was unable to do so. I could not take a pregnant wife over the back fence. The doors were locked and there were far too many people in there. It was overcrowded, and very dangerous to have the doors padlocked.
I told him that if he laid so much as a finger on her, I would knock his teeth out, blacken his eyes, and kick the shit out of him. I told him that if it was a confession he wanted, I would be happy to confess my sins before the whole congregation, and shouted out my confession. I also told him that I wanted to leave, that we were being illegally imprisoned by not being allowed to leave, and as soon as I left, I would call the police and the FBI, and report the overcrowding in a locked church to the fire department. Somebody reported the events to the Washington Post, though I did not.
We finally got out when Todd’s wife Michelle went into labor that night and I drove them to the hospital. She gave birth to their daughter Grace that night.
Before we went, I had specifically asked Denis Orme whether the rumors of violence by this man were true and he had denied them. I angrily confronted him in the DC church, demanding to know why he had lied to me. He and Dr. Sheftick and some others were his goons preventing people by force from leaving. I very much resented the brute force applied to stop people leaving the event, or the building, and imprisoning protesters by force and with handcuffs in isolation.
If a similar event were to recur, I would do the same. This time, I would call the police on my cell phone. I have no regrets. I made a moral judgement, and I stand by it. Your characterization of it as “crass” is itself a judgement. The fact that Dr. Pak was almost murdered by this brute indicates to me that I was on the mark. He left the country with the FBI and other authorities after him for his brutal crimes. Ever since then, I have been very wary of any violence perpetrated in the name of God in our church.
This was a dark chapter in the history of our church, which I hope is never repeated. Heaven help us if next time, the thugs are armed. It makes by blood boil just to talk about it.
If the true mother had an adulterous relationship and a child was born as a result then the true parents blood lineage would be stained. For some reason when the true father has an adulterous relationship and a child is born as a result then it is covered up just like Adam covered his indiscretion after the fall. For some reason the latter act is hidden and justified as “Providential”.
It is as if the true father is somehow exempt from adultery. Is a perfected Adam exempt from adultery in the ideal? This action would violate the principle of creation and the essential fundamental unit of the family. Principle states that adultery has been committed by many great people throughout history and the cause of their downfall. This is an argument used to prove that the act of adultery was the root of sin and the cause of the fall.
Doesn’t that mean that an adulterous relationship is a repeat of the fall? If anyone else was adulterous as a blessed couple they would have fallen and would need to be forgiven by the true parents to restore their position. Yet somehow the true father and also members of his true family appear to be exempt and events have been even overlooked and hidden.
If the act of the original ancestors grieved God deeply then wouldn’t the same act of infidelity also cause God to grieve and repeat the fall. The fall was an act between the AA and Eve and resulted in a change of lineage to one centered on Satan. I suppose if you consider that you are in the position of true father and own the original lineage then any woman who has sex with you is multiplying your “direct” and “original” lineage and centered on you the true father; and not the false father Satan.
I notice that Moon mixes the two ideas of lineage. He speaks in terms of a conceptual spiritual lineage of connection to God through love and also his own direct physical lineage that appears to tie everyone together through loyalty and love to him as Gods representative substantially. The embodiment or horizontal substantiation of the vertical invisible God.
The conceptual spiritual lineage can apply to everyone with a relationship to God. And if this is the concept someone may have for their relationship to God then it means that the true father is out of the equation, nobody really needs him, except perhaps as a guiding influence if they so choose.
So he engrafts everyone into his own direct lineage through the process of the blessing. He claims to be qualified to be the True Father and owner of the original lineage based upon successful completion of his own portion of responsibility and payment of indemnity. This is the process of engrafting the wild olive trees to his own physical family which has the original lineage.
They have the direct lineage but do they have the “original” lineage? S0 if they do not have the “original” lineage then people who are being engrafted to this family, or adopted into their extended family are just being connected to their extended family who may or may not have the “original” lineage.
How do we know that Moon has the “original lineage”? Please elaborate and define it. Please specify the process through which Moon came to be qualified to own it. The main point I am making is that he appears to be combining both the spiritual concept of connection to God and his own family through the concept of lineage, blending the two.
It has been long known by scholars that Moonism is based on Korean shamanic ritual sex, mainly performed by Sun Myung Moon. Chung Hwa Pak’s ‘The Tragedy of the Six Marys’ reveals Moon’s repeated, unprincipled abuse of those sexual rituals. Pak was threatened and bribed to retract his book in Korea but it continued to be bought in Japan.
Pak’s book was recently translated into English by a generous ex-Moonie who donated their blood, sweat and tears - and provided a fair wage to a poor Korean student. The translation could be improved. Please donate some time. Frank Frivilous freely distributes the English version of ‘The Tragedy of the Six Marys’. You can understand why the Moonies, fearing the truth, dislike Frank, but instead of discussing their objections in public they use dirty tricks to attack Frank!
Libelous, untrue attacks on Frank’s good name intensified when WIOTM and HWDYKYM presented reasonable evidence of Moon’s original multiple sex partners religion including the statement that the Holy Wine, used at Moonie mass ceremonies especially the Marriage Blessing, contains traces of bodily fluid from Sun Myung and Hak Ja Han Moon.
We know that the Moon family are irritated by the existence of WIOTM and HWDYKYM and several other Tumblr blogs because Justin Kook Jin Moon, weapons manufacturer, gun fanatic and UC mastermind, hunted down second generation kids who started the blogs.
Kook exerted extreme legal and social pressure upon the kids and their families. Kook Jin, in a public sermon, misrepresented his reason for trying to close the blogs. Kook’s legal harassment failed and was embarrassingly made public. Kook’s legal battles against his brother Preston Hyung Jin Moon have already lost the Unification Church about $750,000,000 in costs and judgments.
Kook Jin is seen as responsible for the character assassination of Preston Hyun Jin Moon and Rev Chung Hwan Kwak theologically defining them as Satan during public speaking tours and dividing UC families..
Typically, anonymous Justin ‘Kook Jin’ Moon supporters have been disrupting WIOTM. Frank Frivilous has been inaccurately accused of being an active Moonie, attending Foundation Day, being sick and obsessed with tits, penises and vaginas. Unfair and cowardly attacks have been made on FF’s and John Reed’s wives which makes the Unification Church like the Colombian mafia. An academic has been defamed too.
It has been reasoned that the Scientology-like attacks came from high up the Moonie food chain since regular UC members have neither the time, energy or ability to argue with ex-members. Kook Jin is afraid to mention the name and content of WIOTM, the UC members have copied that unwritten rule. But one member cracked, breaking his cover on WIFL where he seems tasked with disrupting pro-Hyun Jin anti-Kook Jin discussion.
Paul Carlson, who boasts of being a truck driver, sci-fi writer and Moonie majority loyalist spends hours every week filling Moon-related forums with hot air. He adds nothing to the discussion but wears down the participants with his slippery banter.
On Feb 25th, Paul Carlson, posted on WIFL what seemed to be an afterthought, repeating the same lies against FF that an anonymous disrupter had been posting on WIOTM. Paul Carlson, incorrectly implies that the ‘True Parents sexual and bodily fluids are in the Holy Wine’ is the claim of only one person. Menacingly, Carlson implies that the true identity of that person is known to the other Moonies:
“On a side topic: this sensible reality shows how ludicrous and absurd that HWDYKYM accusation is, about weird additives in our holy wine, and especially these days. (It tells us more about the supposedly-anonymous accuser, and his own lurid imagination!)”
WIFL Feb 25, 2013. Paul Carlson, cuebon@
Has Paul Carlson investigated the case of sexual fluids in the Holy Wine? After much bluster and banter he would admit that he has not. If challenged to investigate he would decline. Paul Carlson is a typical Moonie, all hot air and no substance, but could Carlson represent a more sinister faction within the Moonist camp?
1. Lineage is a way of connection through loyalty to Moon.
2. The lineage is not an absolute lineal one that we have with our ancestors and our descendants. It is relative to loyalty to Moon and the group. Leaving the group you are no longer considered to be blessed therefore relative to membership in the group. Leaving the group or being disloyal is viewed in the same way as adultery. But take you out of the lineage and through forgiveness (by the Moons) then your connection to the lineage is restored. So there is no lineage it is a connection of loyalty. Loyalty to Moon expressed through the instrument of the church group - not to God.
3. The Adam and Eve story along with the other characters and so any evaluation or interpretation from it considering that these were actual people is incorrect. These characters are symbolic. In Moonism these have to be real people to justify having an actual blood lineage and therefore another set of people called the “true” parents.
4. The words expressed and the example and model shown from the family itself don’t express a heavenly example that surpasses or even approaches that of good people already in the world. Just the opposite they display fallen nature. And if they display fallen nature they interact with Satan so still have the relationship and have not separated from Satan.
5. Separation from Satan is a condition in order to have the original lineage. If the true family are in the position of true but still interact and have a base of give and receive action with satan then they are not true and are not “original”.
6. If lineage is a concept that symbolizes connection to God and resembling heavenly character then many Christian’s and religious people already are related to each other through their relationship with God. Jesus for Christian’s would be in the original lineage of God.
7. But in my opinion Moon is not being symbolic but literal when he talks about blood lineage. The lineage is his lineage. His children are his absolute lineal descendants. The only other way anyone else can be in his actual lineage is through adoption.
8. If you look at the example of his children who are in Moons direct lineage and his original lineage they should be uniquely distinct from anyone who is outside his “original” lineage. However they do not appear to be any different than people in the fallen culture, in fact they have become corrupted by greed and position.
“What is inside the holy wine? It has an ingredient that symbolizes parents’ love. Also, it has to have something in it that symbolizes blood. Accordingly, when you drink that, you become one body with parents’ love and one body with parents’ blood.” Quote from Sun Myung Moon. http://www.unification.net/bif/bif-4-4.html
Suggestion: If someone can bring a sample of that holy wine for an analysis of the ingredients, then it could be proven whether there is sperm and blood in it. A lab would give a written report that could be publicized. Any of you have the chance to do this?