Why does a mediator between the two worlds (where interacting with spirit person is a normal way of life from the principle perspective) need to take advice from other people who give messages from the spirit world. If the spirit world message is from Sun Myung Moon’s children - why aren’t they talking to him directly. I will repeat that: “If the message is from his children why aren’t they talking to him directly?”
As a child I came across articles that accused Rev. Moon, or “father” to me at the time, of homophobia. Such an accusation seemed ludicrous to me. This was the messiah, he is full of love for all mankind… he does not hate homosexuals. He just recognized that they were going against God’s plan in quite an extreme way. I thought the homosexual activists who came across Moon’s materials and called him homophobic and anti-gay were overdramatic. I had little sympathy for the homosexual in general, though. I remember I mentioned the infamous “gays are dung-eating dogs” quote to my mother and she agreed. “Well, they are in a spiritual state lower than animals”, she said. It made sense to me. Growing up, I saw homosexuals as people who were caught up in a psychological disorder caused by something traumatic or by “daddy issues”, as well as evil spirits. I claimed to love homosexuals as I rallied against their right to marry and believed they were demon-possessed.
Did I really love the homosexual? Tony Campolo, a Baptist pastor and popular speaker, once made a remark that I consider quite profound. He said, “You know why gays think Christians despise them? Because Christians despise them.” The same thing goes for the Unification Church. The world has plenty of reasons to think we are homophobic. The Church claims it does not endorse hatred against homosexuals and preaches universal unity that transcends all differences, but the church has no place for the gay member who desires to be a faithful Moonie.
But how does that make the UC homophobic you may ask? Well, lets go over the options for a gay Moonie? Let’s see.
Most Christian denominations consider homosexuality to be a sin, as well as most religious organizations, but basically all religious groups consider celibacy an option for homosexuals. This is not ideal, but it is a step forward from the perspective of the Unification Church, which is that one must get married to experience salvation. Many conservative Christian leaders have at least recognized that reparative therapy is dangerous, unhealthy, and fruitless. There are also a growing group of Christians who do not consider homosexual relationships to be sinful, or at least are open to conversation about this. As the UC has adopted the “megachurch”/satellite-church approach of the Evangelicals, and as the UC desires to become more relevant and missional, will friendliness to the gay community increase? Will there be more conversation and openness about this, just as there are in many Christian sects/denominations? I personally cannot see this happening.
What do I see?
All I can see are more men and women growing in hopelessness trying their best to change themselves and forcing themselves into unfulfilling marriages. All I can see are men and women growing up hating themselves… and the fruit of self-hatred is a terrible thing, as we have seen from the many gay teen suicides in the past year. Can you see anything else but self-hatred coming out of the UC’s rigid stance on homosexuality and marriage? I mean, how should a homosexual in the UC feel when their own messiah believes God desired to bring destruction to the gay community and has blamed the moral decay of America on homosexuals? And Moon also has a lot of other things to say about gay people (which you can read about read here) that can only wear down on the soul of a gay member.
When the messiah, the perfect man, the one you are supposed to model yourself after, the one you are told report to in prayer, the only one who is in complete unity with God, believes you are a dung-eating dog that should be “eliminated”… and when the religion you are a part of believes you can never truly be saved if you do not multiply through a heterosexual relationship… and when paying to pat out spirits from your body and liberate ancestors and to go through reparative therapy are all your church can offer your for wholeness… then I have to recommend you to walk away. That is, if you want peace, joy, and a true sense of wholeness. I am sorry, but the Unification Church can never offer a gay member that. If you are a gay member, maybe it is time to evaluate yourself and what you believe. Let me start this off for you by asking: How well do you know your Moon?
For further reading:
ReligiousTolerance.org on “The Unification Church and Homosexuality”
Washington Post article on Richard Cohen
Among the mourners Saturday was a son of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the South Korean-based Unification Church, which has longstanding ties with North Korea. The Rev. Hyung-jin Moon helped carry a wreath to the main mourning site at Kim Il Sung Square in central Pyongyang.
For the full article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-12-24/north-korea-heir/52205464/1
Hyung Jin Moon carrying the wreath in Pyongyang
Sun Myung Moon and his wife meet Kim Il Sung
Looks like the UC has taken a nose dive into the realm of superstition and it has become main stream belief. The whole Chung Pyung Lake (CPL) experience is stricken with spiritual manipulation and material corruption. I like the idea of cooperation over exorcism. That is the essential CPL - exorcism. So the difference in ideology between CPL and what the principle actually teaches is co-operation vs. exorcism. If you want to be exorcised then go the CPL. If you believe that the ideal will be created through co-operation then CPL really doesn’t fit in with that unless there is a side development of having nice spiritual experiences while you are there. But a nice spiritual retreat is not what CPL is about. It is about exorcism. So CPL = Resurrection through the practice of exorcism. You know exorcised spirits just pop right back based on the base of give and take created with satan right? So as a method for resurrection and fulfilling God’s will I’ll stick with co-operation. It also is based on Heart - not extortion.
Ancestor liberation is a recent event. Why hasn’t been part of church experience and included in the principle? It suggests that Moon really doesn’t understand the reality of the spirit world and is not clear how they develop once they are dead. Does the mind stop growing once you no longer have a physical body? Can you no longer pray, repent, change your behavior? Actually although the principle says you can’t grow without a physical body CPL says that through their process you can. If you are an evil spirit then you go to a DP workshop in the Spirit World, you use your mind and grow, and you become good. How do you become good again?- It involves growth! But the spirits don’t have a physical body - so how can they grow? So principle is saying no growth without a physical body except if you co-operate with a physical person, or if you are evil; then making them suffer and through their grateful mind and endurance which sets an indemnity condition both you the spirit and the physical person overcoming their sin benefit and go to a higher level. That’s co-operation.
I am reading the chapter on resurrection 2.3.3 The Returning Resurrection of Spirits Who Abide Outside Paradise. “To receive such benefit, their works must have the effect of punishing earthly people to help them make conditions to indemnify their failures.” So principle here teaches that spirits benefit by me fulfilling an indemnity condition by willingly enduring the suffering caused by the evil spirits. Then both parties benefit and go to a higher level. It is about paying indemnity.
Our sin is resolved by enduring with a good attitude or a grateful mind. There is also different aspects to the resurrection of spirit persons depending on if they were religious but not christian, conscientious but not religious, and lastly just plain evil. There is a strong sense of working together to resolve sin and also to help each other fulfill our responsibility through cooperation.
SO principle teaches one thing and CPL ancestor liberation another. In fact the whole CPL providence has it’s own central figure with her own teaching. Now that has become part of unification culture.
Notes of a conference call were leaked. This can’t be good news.
The story goes like this. Hyunjin Moon put out a letter for the public a few days ago and then the likes of Injin Moon and Joshua Cotter tried to come up with their little strategy to deal with him. The notes are actually Injin Moon’s own words according to the last sentence on the notes.
These notes are the real deal and confirmed. If you read through it you can see that the church is up the wazoo with lies. Cotter’s admitting that the attacks on Kwak in all those lectures and workshops were bs from the start. They’re saying Kwak was a sacrificial lamb. Sounds about right.
Notes from Rev. Cotter:
District Pastor National Conference Call Sunday, Nov. 27, 2011
Rev. Cotter: Good evening. We will focus on some guidance from In Jin Nim concerning the recent letter from Hyun Jin Nim.
I will share some things that In Jin Nim shared last night. She asked me specifically to hold this call. I will share as honestly as I can and we will take questions or comments.
Many of you saw the letter that came out from H1. It was distributed across America to many, many members. It has been forwarded around. We can send it out to everyone in case you haven’t seen it for your reference. It was targeted at our American Blessed families. There is a website for response. Rev. Rendel and I forwarded it to In Jin Nim after we received it so that we can prepare a national response from HQ. In Jin Nim called me last night. She did not feel that a public response was necessary because we thoroughly have vetted this issue and revealed the facts. Most recently was the rally to affirm True Parents proclamation. The program we did in America will be used in other English speaking nations around the world. True Parents have weighed in and given H1 every opportunity to come back and he continues to defy True Parents by holding the GPF, stealing assets, selling precious assets: all of this is rooted in one place: In Jin Nim said we should not have a public response but asked Rev. Cotter to speak to all of you so that you know how to clearly respond to members who many come to you.
In her service today she addressed the 2 suicides and attempted suicide. She has an incredible pastoral preaching conclusion that was directly connected to this letter. One of H1’s recurring themes is that Father did not want to form a church; we don’t need a ministry or church. What he doesn’t mention is the incredible ministries of Hyung Jin Nim and In Jin Nim that have revived our church and gives hope to our families. I thought it was brilliant how she compared it to North Korea: a `sham or a shell’. The same can be said of the GPF activities. He toots his own horn saying that he will continue GPF and it was stand as the fruits of Father’s works. The fact is that they are spending millions on failed events that are not very successful as reported. He is holding this up as the achieved representing Father’s legacy even though Father has denounced this. He never mentions that Father asked him to stop GPF. She wants us to be very clear about one thing: True Parents have asked Hyung Jin Nim, Kook Jin Nim and In Jin Nim to start to get the truth to our members (as in two years ago with Phyllis - at True Parents request). True Parents have asked their children to further educate the reason that Father specifically could not allow H1 to be his heir and stand as the elder son. Ironically he used the term elder son and elder brother in his letter. True Parents have given that role to Hyung Jin Nim.
Father asked him to stop GPF and spend a year internally was Father’s concern about Hyun Jin Nim’s problem with women (well documented). True Parents wanted him to come to their side, work it out and repent for his sin and come back. Hyun Jin Nim has steadfastly refused to do that. Even with this knowledge that the whole family as of his transgressions, he attacks IJN and KJN with the same accusations. True Parents asked that this be shared with top leaders. They were very reluctant to do so. With this letter coming, it’s important that the church leadership understand so we can explain it to member’s. Because of Hyun Jin Nim’s refusal to face up to this sins… That is the main reason for his split with True Parents. In this letter, he talks about his great work before the time of his split with True Parents in March of 2008. The family and True Parents have no problem with the public things he did before the split. They were totally behind what he was doing. Father was planning to take it on himself.
True Parents are happy with all that he did up until 2008.
Hyun Jin Nim talks of the split but will not give the real reason for it. In 2008 he should have accepted True Parents direction and humbly accepted the decision to appoint Hyung Jin Nim based on his purity. His chapter 2 problems were the issue. Hyun Jin Nim has never accepted Hyung Jin Nim as his abel. In his letter he says he totally disregards the leaders of HSA.
Hyun Jin Nim accuses us of laying the blame at Rev. Kwak’s feet. He denies that and says it is all his own choice. They sought to protect him from a direct hit but buffering him with the In Laws. Father said Rev. Kwak has “killed his son”. The family wants to give Hyun Jin Nim an `out’. That is the reason we presented the information the way we did (even though we knew that Hyun Jin Nim was doing this). But now, he rejects that buffer through this letter. He takes the blame for everything. The family is very saddened by that. In Jin Nim wants us to be absolutely clear about the facts.
Young people may be confused. Hyun Jin Nim is actively reaching out to young adults.
Hyun Jin Nim is very distressed, emotional and tearful in his internal meetings because he is not reaching anybody. Only a close groups like Kenshu Aoki. From In Jin Nim’s view he has been appointed as 2nd in charge. He was a CARP leader and raised by Mito. He has moved back to the Bay Area. He has reached out to Tomeo and offered him the job of CEO of GPF. In Jin Nim wants to caution us. They are being offered lots of money. If he sense there are communities where the LL foundation is weak, he will send people there to pull the young people away. This is her perception. The best defense against what he is doing is to build LLM strongly in your main city. This is the reason IJN is going through all this trouble to put the LL Pastors in place. She sees Lovin’ Life as the antidote to all that Hyun Jin Nim is doing, but more than that, as a way to save our families.
District Pastors, please follow the model from New York. Find that pastoral couple and implement it. She is very concerned about Kenshu. We need to reach him and stop him from reaching our young adults.
In Jin Nim laid out the reason for this ministry today. GPA people are writing her in tears. They say that before then they didn’t believe in LLM. Seeing it up close, they are completely changed.
We had a long phone call last night and she wants us to be really clear.
Pastor Mike Yakawich is now with Hyun Jin Nim. He served for 23 years. We have no problem with all he’s done up until he separated from True Parents. When he went to GPF and didn’t report. I suspended him pending his reporting to the District Pastors. Yakawich was accountable to Larry Krishnek and was dismissed as a consequence. He showed up at the next conference with Hyun Jin Nim.
Jin Sung Nim met with Eugene Harnett up in Alaska. It seems like Jin Sung Nim finally got through to it. He admitted that Howard Self had sort of twisted his thinking.
It’s a matter of time until H1’s foundation falls apart. His letter is a desperate attempt. In Jin Nim says the best we can do is to build Lovin’ Life Ministries. The District Pastors need to find the remaining 5 District Pastors. She absolutely believes that LLM is the answer. If you haven’t built a viable LL ministry then you should repent and immediately put it into practice.
She said that building an interfaith peace movement is necessary. Our families were suffering. You could hear her seriousness. She really depends on this team of leaders to get it and implement the entire ministry. Inherit it. It’s the only way for us to reach out, bring our families together and save our children. We are educating families now and its life changing.
It was a big struggle for her to take on STF because it came out of Hyun Jin Nim’s culture. They were resistant to change. In Jin Nim took the time to help them to change and they have. Now it is the Generation Peace Academy. It ends the past era of Hyun Jin Nim. His culture was not the culture of heart as it is under In Jin Nim. True Parents know and support IJN’s work.
This was just pouring out of her. She emphatically wants to make these points to us all. Larry Krishnek can edit these and they will be sent out together with the notes of the service and Heather’s letter. You don’t need to actively talk about it, but you need to be clear. Everything in Hyun Jin Nim’s letter is old news. While he has been failing at building his legacy, In Jin Nim is building and unshakable foundation and is trusted completely by True Parents.
Everything stated here comes from In Jin Nim.
I am one of the former contributors to HowWellDoYouKnowYourMoon. When the site first began gaining momentum, it was an exciting time. There were a good number of us involved giving insights on the flaws in Unification theology, church leadership, and the messiahship of Sun Myung Moon. Most of us were transitioning out of the church, and others had already been uninvolved or cut off from the UC for years. At times we were a bit immature and our resentment seeped into our writing. At times our arguments were not fully developed, though very much rooted in truth. We wrote, though, because we knew we had to do something. We knew people were reading what we were writing and we received constant reports of people gaining the courage to walk away from the Unification Church because of what we put up through HWDYKYM and Done With Moon. It was a beautiful time.
It has been over two years since HWDYKYM began. There have been many things that have occurred in the history of “the blog” (as many bitter members refer to it) that have led to the general inactivity you see today. Some of us got jobs, others became consumed by school work, and many of have “moved on”. I never thought I would be a person who could actually “move on”—I thought such a notion was cruel—but I suppose I have. Generally, I do not think much about the church. Sometimes my parents try to explain some current events in the church with me, sometimes I get lost in memories (some good, most bad), and sometimes I catch up with members and former members and am inevitably brought back to a discussion of the church. It is not rare, though, for me to go a day without thinking about the church I left behind. The last couple of days, though, it has been all I can think about.
I was recently asked to speak about my experience as a second generation in the Unification Church. This happens once in awhile in formal and informal settings for many know me as the “former cult member”. Though I may not be a huge fan of such a title, it has given me opportunities to speak out against this corrupt organization and educate those with little knowledge about Sun Myung Moon. In the last year, though, I have spoken out against the church less and less due to various factors and because of that, I was a bit rusty. I felt inadequate to speak and felt like I lacked the proper passion to deliver such a talk. I spent a few days trying to outline my talk and it all felt very dry. I had facts and some anecdotes from my past experiences with abuse and corruption of the Moon family and other leaders, but there was something wrong with my talk—was it the flow, or the lack of coverage on the early church, or the lack of theology?, I asked myself. Deep down, though, I knew I just did not care like I used to.
A few days before my speaking engagement, I received a phone call from a dear friend of mine who actually holds a minor leadership position in the church and is the son of a recognized leader. Time to time this friend calls me to confide in me about his faithlessness and desire to escape the system of the Moonies. He tells me about how he feels consumed by his knowledge of his personal hypocrisy and by the feeling of being trapped in the church. Last night he called in tears about his parents’ financial irresponsibility and how it was hurting their family. He told me about how his parents, like many others in the church, regularly liberate ancestors in Cheongpyeong and give huge donations that are asked of members. He told me about how all their credit cards were maxed out and how incredible the debt they had were. He revealed to me other aspects of his parents’ fundamentalism and I tried my best to console him but I mostly listened. My heart was stirred and I was brought back to a place I have not been in awhile. I remembered all my personal afflictions and all the stories people shared with me over the years. I revised the outline of my talk and made it clear that I was not simply presenting a story of me walking away from a fucked up system but it was about exposing a corrupt system abusing brilliant, compassionate spirits. People were moved, people cried, and I believe that some truly got a glimpse of the evils of the church.
I have a friend who left the church that is not at all involved with activism against the UC. He was once passionate and evangelized his anti-UC message with strong convictions. Now he has moved on. He once told me that I should not worry about the church any longer for people dumb enough to get caught up in such a system should not be bothered. For a time I tried to believe this, but I knew I could never stick to such a cold-hearted logic. I can say confidently that I have moved on. The pains of my past do not weigh me down and I do not feel my identity lies in the fact that I am an ex-member. I have left the church and I am free.
In a sense, though, I will never fully move on. I suppose I still maintain a sense of spirituality and I cannot help but believe that all things happen for a reason. I’d like to believe some higher power, whether it be the “universe” or a god, had me serve time in the church and I suppose it was so I can be equipped to speak out against this system. I have long forgotten that many have come into the church not knowing the deception that would follow. They were simply idealistic, impressionable youth and they allowed their minds to be molded by an evil organization. I have long forgotten than many were born into the church and were taught since from birth that Moon was a misunderstood man of righteousness who was basically indistinguishable from God. I have long forgotten about the deep social pressures many second generation deal with.
You will not be seeing me at any protests and I will likely still not be active on internet blogs and forums to speak out against Moon. But I will never stop speaking. And I encourage you, whoever you are, to speak. You have a story to tell and it should be told. Seeing your time in the church may be hard to see as a gift, but sometimes we have to twist this situation in order to walk forward peacefully. The time we spent in that church can help us liberate people from the lives we had to leave behind. Believe me, I have seen it happen.
Why is it that members have one standard of moral behavior and the moon family appear to have a different even lower standard of morality?
On the one hand we are taught the fall of humanity and were told not to fall ourselves - a fate worse than death apparently. So here I am a product of that conditioning. When I look at SMM’s life, I see that it is very different than what is taught in the fall in regard to sexual behavior. SMM was married not once but three times. He apparently had a relationship with another woman and a child as well while he was still married to his first wife. There is strong evidence to suggest that he practiced Pikareun with many women from after his experience in North Korea until the 1970’s when allegedly a child was born and raised by Col. Pak. That in the real world is defined as a relationship outside marriage - or adultery. So I see relative sexual behavior. On one hand the members practice strict abstinence and when they are married are expected to have no sexual relationships with anyone other than their spouse; let alone have children outside their own marriage. They would therefore become adulterous just like the principle version of the fall. The amazing thing is that members see this apparent double standard in SMM and several children of his and overlook it. If true, then strictly speaking they did not conform to the principle of creation; and just like Adam and Eve and the Archangel they fell. It appears that the children’s follies are deflected from them with the excuse that the members are the cause by not having done enough; and so satan was able to invade. Whatever the excuse it is apparent that SMM has had several marriages, children outside these marriages; that he also practiced Pikareun with many women and most likely has children born from these encounters (with the purpose to cleanse the womb and produce sinless children).
Why is it that the man who has fulfilled the ideal of creation has not repeated the fall?
Are the rumors about sexual misconduct true?
Please consider several perspectives as follows.
First, that it is okay for Sun Myung Moon to have what appears to the fallen world as illicit sexual conduct because he is authorized to by God to repair the heavenly lineage. Second, that this was a phase in the life cycle of the church which happened and was wrongly covered up by members to protect the larger purpose because things have moved on from the time of those happenings. Third, from the point of view of love then we should just continue to develop our personal foundation regardless of the actions of those around us. The unapologetic argument is that he has led a life of illicit sexual misconduct when compared to the ideal he teaches and he and his followers justify his actions as being part of restoration unique only to himself. My own personal conflict is that I am demanded to live with absolute moral behavior and while I did and still do even before I was born and up until the time I joined the church in the mid seventies - he was having sexual encounters with many women and this was covered up and justified by the church hierarchy. Once again I am conflicted with the words and spirit of what I have experienced and the behavior of the founder and his family and also the dishonesty of the group structure.”
Nobody is being straight forward and open about it. Just the fact that we have to guess about it means that it has been hidden without transparency.
There is the ideal that is taught in the principle of creation and then there is the reality. People idealize the Moon family and it’s encouraged as well. They are made the center; just as Moon is the center. Rev. Moon wants you to put him and his family at the center of your life. He wants you to attend him and his central family for eternity as the substantial royal family. On one hand there are the ideals and the other the reality. We see the reality of the central family it is very obvious.
My perspective is that he made himself the center. Instead of teaching that God is the true parents and everybody can aspire to the ideals he made his family the mediator or the one you should place in the position of external God. From Gods perspective I think everyone should be a true parent. I think even he thinks that. But he goes one step further and puts his family above us instead of everybody on a level playing field. He’s just got to be the absolute subject, absolute king. We are all his servants there to fulfill his ideal. His ideal is to be the king of kings like a biblical figure. He couldn’t just stop at being the true parent. If you study the Principle of Creation and Fall and take Moon out of the picture then you have the principle for every person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PsCl3-qcnk
Speech given by Rev. Jin Hun Yong (Director of UC Education Department and History Compilation Committee in Korea) in leader’s meeting.
Rev Jin Hun Yong 1:55-3:15
Q: “Did Father have any sexual relations with any woman other than True Mother, Hee Jin’s Mother, or Sun Jin’s Mother?”A: “When the first mother, Sun Jin’s Mother failed, and the second mother Hee Jin’s mother failed, when mother Hak Ja Han was set up; at the time when Mother was going to the level of wife, which she was able to attain on January 1st 1975. On that day mother was able to get to the level of wife, so until then, because the 1st and 2nd wives had both failed, Father was heartistically had a lot of difficulties and pains in terms of establishing a family foundation. So it’s not important whether Father had some kind of relations with a woman or not, but if God gave an order, then Father had to do whatever was needed in order to have a family foundation, so please just understand Father’s heart.”
Well, Jin Hun Yong… where did Sammy Pak come from? Both Nan Sook (Hyo Jin’s ex-wife) and Un Jin have publicly acknowledged of the existence of this man who is the result of Sun Myung Moon’s affairs.
And why did Moon never get blessed to Myung Hee Kim (Hee Jin’s mother) but was willing to have sex with her (and impregnate her)?
I could accept SMM words more easily if it was all some kind of symbolism about being the royal family; sort of like the course for everyone - you know everyone has the potential to be a good (ideal) person, (true) parent, and have the awareness of being valuable like a King or Queen in spirit (or ideal) - and that really turns me off the guy.
Now I think he is saying that he is the top man, the true parent and now he wants me to swallow the idea that he and his family are the cosmic royal family and central for eternity. It’s just a little too much for someone like me trying to make sense of the whole thing and hoping that it’s all true and correct but then seeing the reality of the moon family and the dysfunctional organization they have. Is that really the heavenly royal family?Maybe in his own head -as most of his success appears to be. It seems like he almost has to be the ‘King of kings’ to be the top man so nobody can even come close to his position and overtake it. I think he has to be the absolute subject and there’s no room for anyone else up there. I am left thinking what the hell is going on?
There are the principles on one hand of creation,the fall, and the insight into the formula for restoration and then there is the reality of the moon family and followers on the other. It seems to be all about him; and if you think you are the absolute subject over everyone else then being the ‘King of Kings’ and having the ‘Central Royal Family’ for all eternity is the ultimate ‘must be’. But what about everyone else?
We all have unique value. He is successful of course - but only substantially to the tribal level. He does not have a nation and cannot be called a messiah on the national level - only in image or symbol; but not in substance. It’s like he’s copying Jesus’ being the’ king of kings’ or something - but going one better into the Cosmos. Actually he appears to believe he is better than Jesus and everyone else. There is so much that is hidden and dishonest and pampers to his ego.
